EDITORIAL: Ford City Deserves Better Leadership
The outlook for Ford City Council is bleak.
Eden Ratliff, as borough manager, was able to handle the press and paint council in the best possible light. Since the vote to terminate him last Monday, we have seen this council self-destruct as it runs away from the press and hides from anyone who attempts to find out information.
We saw Ray Klukan not only embarrass himself, but bring shame to the residents of the town he has promised to serve - then, hide away as WPXI comes to town. Mr. Ratliff wasn’t there to answer their calls. Neither was Council President Carol Fenyes. She hid behind secretaries who told WPXI reporter Melanie Gillespie she wasn’t available.
During his campaign, Mr. Klukan vowed to get rid of Family-Life TV and the televising of council meetings. Now we know why. He doesn’t want the public to see that he cannot conduct himself in an orderly manner.
Although I sympathize with his recent health issues and wish him well, his outburst was not medically induced. They are not new. This was the same person who during his last term on council in 2009 made similar outbursts and then laughed about it when I brought it to his attention. For him, this type of action is a way of life, not a momentary lapse of judgment.
Mr. Klukan should resign because he is not emotionally able to handle the pressure of being on council. Ms. Fenyes should step down from her position as council president because she has shown her inability to govern and maintain control at the meetings. Someone should call for council to reorganize at their next meeting and install Mr. Marc Mantini as the president since he is the only one willing to step up and actually show some leadership as the other five council members run for cover when Pittsburgh media comes to town. He was also the only one to take control of the meeting last Monday and call for adjournment in the midst of the crisis when Ms. Fenyes lost control.
Last year it was the issue of the borough secretary failing to order salt. This year, it’s a councilman run amuck. The eyes of the world are on Ford City. I hope that soon the town will have something positive to show them.
The views expressed are those of the author.
Editorial | David Croyle March 17, 2016
By Just sayin, March 17, 2016 @ 6:07 AM
Ray wasn’t the only one who had outbursts at these meetings prior to this one.
Perhaps everyone should start the meetings with “Mindfulness” meditation or perhaps take some chill pills!
By Just sayin, March 17, 2016 @ 6:09 AM
Who told WPXI to broadcast this?
By fordcitygirl, March 17, 2016 @ 6:37 AM
We did not see what leD up to the ouburst.and I think it’s odd that with all going on in the world that wpxi just happen to get the video.And Jerry just happened to be on the news.
By pharmon, March 17, 2016 @ 7:25 AM
First of all Jerry and Vicky need to understand that they lost their seat on council and sit back and shut up . Let them run the meeting. The two need to be ban from talking at any meeting going forward. Don’t you two have anything better to do than to scheme up crap for every meeting. WPXI has this as their lead news story?
Dave Croyle is behind this also. He is related to Vicky. Dave got fined in the past when the meeting was shown live and because of Ray s swearing . True Ray gets out of hand but you have to know what is happening in the back ground . Grow up you two!!
By jorn jensen, March 17, 2016 @ 7:34 AM
It is odd that they gave Eden Ratliff a raise and then fired him. Odd outfit.
By createawareness, March 17, 2016 @ 8:49 AM
Mr. Croyle, you are a public official in Kittanning borough. Are not public officials to work for the betterment of a community and its surrounding communities—-???? or am I missing something???? You should be seeking ways in which both communities can work together. You should be working to aid in Ford City’s efforts to move forward—not destroying those efforts—and the lives involved. How much of the “good” works coming out of Ford City and its great people do you even allow to be published in you paper? How very sad that you must resort to such tactics to accomplish exactly what?
By Marc, March 17, 2016 @ 12:47 PM
Based on the WPXI article I read today, Jerry Miklos seemed to be the person who took part in the argument and got WPXI there.
David, I have to ask why the editorial on FC council now, but none when (Eden, et al) forgot to order salt or took the town into an additional debt of close to $600k?
It sounds to me like you have a personal issue with Klukan based on his comments regarding the KP.
Was Klukan wrong for how he acted? Yes. I’ll agree with you on that, but I think the KP has to be better than getting directly involved with this type of small town drama.
By jd718, March 18, 2016 @ 8:32 AM
Jerry is not on council, so, it’s back to how he was before, nothing new there! Hey, the guy is a taxpayer, what can you say? Raymond has always had a Poor temper, always. Like I said before he needs a Snickers.
By bandit, March 18, 2016 @ 11:10 AM
I think it is rather odd that all of a sudden Mr Croyle is asking for resignations and re-organization of the Ford City Council. Why didn’t he ask for that when the past council hid the letter from the DCED on the grant payback reduction, the abolishment of the police department (against the majority of the voters I may add) and the road salt debacle where they blamed the council secretary. Mr. Croyle needs to worry about Kittanning politics before bashing anyone else. From what I understand, he isn’t very well liked by his fellow council members and they want rid of him. That meeting was a set-up from the beginning. The reason for the outburst was a former council member was egging him on during the whole meeting and made an inappropriate comment to him that was not heard by most of the people there. Also, someone reportedly heard Mr. Milkos say that we got him again, meaning Mr Klukan’s outburst. Sounds kind of suspect to me!
By createawareness, March 18, 2016 @ 11:41 AM
Listened to your broadcast this morning only to hear what was going to be said in regards to this. If you were only reporting the news as you see it—and not meaning harm to anyone…then,why was this uploaded by “you” to youtube:
Councilman Ray Klukan Has Meltdown During Meeting …
Video for Ray Klukan▶ 1:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J95h5sDUN58
3 days ago - Uploaded by David Croyle
The biggest obstacle facing Ford City Borough Council may be the ability to govern its own council members.
You and Jerry certainly deserve each other’s company…How very sad for this community that a business man and Councilman would resort to such measures…
By blutoblutarsky, March 18, 2016 @ 2:47 PM
jorn- It sounded like the raise was retroactive and he may have been owed it so they tied up the loose end before letting him go.
By blutoblutarsky, March 18, 2016 @ 2:57 PM
By the sound of it, two ousted council members showed up at a meeting and acted like a couple of jagoffs until a current council member lost his cool. Afterwards Dave Croyle uploaded the video to his Youtube channel, someone called WPXI and Dave wrote his articles here. Who did more harm to Ford City?
Why were the former council members even there? After the debt debacle why would they even show their face in public, let alone a council meeting?
By local410, March 18, 2016 @ 5:27 PM
I am having a hard time understanding why Vivky and Jerry would have to be banned from not speaking at the meetings? If the officials on council cant handle what they have to say, then maybe then shouldnt be on council? And as far as Dave, I commend him for having the guts to say what many think. The whole thing with WPXI I think should be a reality check for Ford City. But so should every other time Ford City was on the news too. And the KP is a small town paper, this is exactlly what needs to be in here. Get a grip and realize the world is moving and advancing and being proactive and innovative outside of there “purple hills”
By notsoshy, March 20, 2016 @ 10:12 AM
Perhaps Mr Croyle you should think of your business/church before writing editorials bashing local political events. I have been a long time supporter of your auctions, but no more. I think it is business suicide when business owners suddenly find local small town politics and think they can say whatever they want with no repercussions. In light of the above editorial it now is quite evident that you, Mr. croyle have been drinking too much of the ‘political kool aid’ and now are qualified to make judgements on all political situations. I thought Ford City and Kittanning were to work together as small communities to make Armstrong County better. Well you have shot yourself in the foot as far as I and numerous other Ford City residents are concerned. Next time your auction comes up you will be sure to get a copy of this letter instead of a donation. Signed with small town pride, Jill Strong owner of Bernots Beauty Salon in Ford City.
By sickofpayingforit, March 20, 2016 @ 9:49 PM
Jorn,
I read the raise as retro-active and it kinda came across as a pseudo-severance-package????
By David Croyle, March 22, 2016 @ 8:37 AM
I guess you agree with Mr. Klukan’s inability to control himself during a meeting. I don’t and many others do not either. To take a line from your post… “How very sad for this community that a… Councilman (Mr. Klukan) would resort to such measures.”
Had Mr. Klukan controlled himself, there would have been no story. I am deeply concerned that our culture is embracing this type of action. Furthermore, I am more concerned that professional members of the community have not shown concern for the actions of this councilman, but rather embraced him. What type of example are we - as community leaders - setting if we cannot be the measuring stick by which the rest of our society is measured?
I stand by my remarks.
By David Croyle, March 22, 2016 @ 8:44 AM
Setting the record straight - I did NOT call WPXI. In fact, no one called WPXI. They saw it on our KP website. They monitor the KP as they do other publications and decide for themselves what they consider news.
The video was uploaded to YouTube so the KP could link it to our website. We do that for a lot of news articles in which we feature video. Standard operating procedure.
As far as the debt debacle that you mentioned, can you explain why we haven’t heard ANYTHING from the current council about their resolution since they ran their election campaign on it? Perhaps it was more campaign rhetoric than truth.
By David Croyle, March 22, 2016 @ 8:52 AM
Thank you, Jill, for your comments. Out of respect for you, I will restrict my rebuttal. I can assure you there is no “political kool aid” to be drank. I will let our staff know of your decision.
By David Croyle, March 22, 2016 @ 9:00 AM
Actually, if you go back to “Talk of the Town” shows during that time, I was very critical of the previous council concerning the issue of the $581,000 grant repayment.
Again, I think it is odd that the culture in Ford City permits such actions as Mr. Klukan. When we had a council president in Kittanning that had outbursts, it was carried by the KP and I wrote editorials along the same lines as the one I wrote on Ford City. Serving on Council is a privilege given to you by the voters. At that point, we are not our own - we represent the people who elected us. It is not about personalities and being liked or not. It is about servant leadership.
By jorn jensen, March 22, 2016 @ 10:28 AM
Kudos to both of you for airing this out without pseudonyms.
I see both points.
I especially like David’s point of, “Serving…..is a privilege given to us by the voters. At that point, we are not our own - we represent the people who elected us.” I’d like to see a little more of that out of any elected leaders.
I’m one of those who prefers some spunk, some passion, in political leadership - bring it out, say it. I am not a fan of bowing and appeasing.
By jorn jensen, March 22, 2016 @ 10:33 AM
David - Please collect your 4 comments into one posting - you’ve taken up 4 slots on the rarely-updated comments section. LOL
By Just sayin, March 22, 2016 @ 10:35 AM
No personal offense, Mr. Croyle, but do you really think WPXI monitors a rag “newspaper?” Your written news is more of a bulletin than a newspaper.
Someone reported this story to them. I strongly believe that. Could it have been one of your supporters, perhaps?
Despite the quality of writing and bias topics, at times, I still continue to read your bulletin. I read it for the local stories (positive and negative) and for the comments by the readers.
I would like to see the comment section be updated on a daily basis. Otherwise, what is the point of making a comment if it isn’t going to be timely? This “software” problem has been going on for months, now. That is always your excuse. Get a new tech to fix the problem or you are going to lose readers and sponsors.
If your paper is not biased, this article would have mentioned the antagonistic words said by Jerry Miklos. Anyone normal person could go ballistic over comments this Ford City man will say. He seems to get enjoyment out of egging people on to the point of being called harassment. If you were to be honest,Mr. Croyle, you would admit this to be true.
My objective opinion of Kittanning “newspapers” is that they are biased. We lost a good editor when Mike O’Hare retired —his editorials were not biased, and he wrote so well. Then along came Jeffrey Savitskie. He was so critical of Ford City most of the time, it was painful to read his bitterness (and he wasn’t even from around the area).
However, the Leader Times has frequently shown Kittanning sports dominating the larger headlines on the front page in comparison to Ford City’s and West Shamokin’s sport news. This goes for other teams, as well. Wildcat headlines were always more grandiose than those of the Sabers, even when Mr. O’Hare was the editor. Can’t the local press take emotion and favoritism out of this medium? That’s how news should be reported.
A paper doesn’t have to be biased in what is written. It can be biased in what is NOT written. There are two sides to every coin.
On the topic of Eden Ratliff I do think they should have warned Mr. Ratliff before firing him-allowing him to improve, if that is what needed to be done. From what the public is told, that doesn’t seem to be the case.
He did not seem like a lazy bum,to me. He always seemed concerned,on top of the issues, and scholarly.
Was the job description clearly defined when he was hired? Did he have a chance to improve or was he blindsided? This is what I would like to know.
Yes, Ray Klukan should have remained professional or removed himself from the taunting of Jerry Miklos. But should they allow disruptive and rude citizens to comment, as well?
By Just sayin, March 22, 2016 @ 11:05 AM
FORD CITY DESERVES BETTER DRINKING WATER — NOT STEMMING FROM LEAD PIPES SUPPLYING EACH HOME!!!
Why not write about that?
Why has this issue been ignored in this bulletin?
That’s the attention that I’ve been wanting, Jorn Jensen—IMPORTANT, RELEVANT, HEALTH-CONCERNING ATTENTION.
FORD CITY MATTERS!!
By David Croyle, March 22, 2016 @ 1:42 PM
Contrary to your opinion, YES the Pittsburgh news media does monitor every news source in the area - including the KP. The fact that you feel we are a “rag newspaper” and the fact that you are reading the paper and actively participating in this blog invalidates your own opinion of the KP if you value your own opinion.
“If your paper is not biased, this article would have mentioned the antagonistic words said by Jerry Miklos.” What words are you specifically referring to? I can only report on what ***I*** hear. Were you there? Did you hear something being said? If so, please state what you heard and we will all be informed. There were some comments by Mr. Miklos and other unidentified members in the crowd after the eruption took place. That is available for you to hear on the video we posted. Therefore, we did “publish” exactly what happened. But our camera microphone and audio recorders at the desk (two of them) did not pick up any other comments being made in the audience. Mr. Klukan himself said the comments were made “under her breath”, which is why it is undetectable by our audio equipment.
Finally on bias, I admit openly I am biased —> I am biased toward proper conduct by government officials. Whether it be Mr. Pyle dropping the F-bomb on PCN or Ray Klukan using God’s name in vain at a public meeting, I think society should not approve of such actions and hold that official to a higher level. Imagine! The voters actually expecting our leaders to act responsibly. Now that is certainly biased.
Mr. Klukan acting professional and council allowing disruptive citizens comments are two different things. The first is in control of the councilman. The second is in control of the Council President. And that is why I said she should step down from the Presidency if she is not going to lead.
By jorn jensen, March 22, 2016 @ 1:50 PM
Caution - When a blurb starts out with “No personal offense, “, be prepared to be offended. LOL
If the KP is such a rag, Just Sayno, then why do you waste your time with it? Good people, like Jonathan Weaver, put their work into it and, to you, it is a “rag”? There’s your tolerant educated liberal for you - making a young reporter’s day for him.
By jorn jensen, March 22, 2016 @ 2:13 PM
You can take Jeff Pyle out of Armstrong County, but you can’t take the Jeff Pyle out of Jeff Pyle.
By sickofpayingforit, March 22, 2016 @ 6:14 PM
What a “liberal” minded thing to post, justsay???!!!
You post on every thread, on this “rag” of a paper, then have the audacity to belittle it to the proprietor publicly. So it is plenty good enough for you to mix it up with the rest of us on here, but is a “rag” when it fits the argument?
Me personally, I am fine with the paper. If I had a problem with it, I surely woundn’t take advantage of it by posting all the time………
By Just sayin, March 22, 2016 @ 7:56 PM
Mr. Croyle: I read STAR Magazine once in a while, too, for the fun of it.
All humor aside, I appreciate the KP. But the KP is not the New York Times.
Like I wrote, I read your paper for local information and the views of its readers. It’s enjoyable for me to correspond with locals, whether I agree with them or not. I thank you for that.
I don’t do Facebook and it seems safe, virus-wise, to comment on your threads.
I apologize that I offended you. Despite the mistakes SOMETIMES, you and the writers work hard for little compensation.
You give opportunities for all to express themselves, and that is fair.
I don’t agree with all of your beliefs, Mr. Croyle, but I respect you.
You wouldn’t treat others like Jorn Jensen writes and speaks to others. He and some others are very disrespectful in many of their comments. “I think society should not approve of such actions.”
It is true about the timeliness of the comments, however. Why didn’t you address that?
Why didn’t you address the lead-pipe issue?
Do you know the answers to my Ratliff questions?
I read Bandit’s and Marc’s comments, to conclude that Miklos was the instigator. Others confirmed this, as well. This was not mentioned in your article. You can be unfair and unprofessional by strategically omitting parts of a story.
Obviously Klukan ranted for a reason. Your readers aren’t stupid.
Why didn’t you ask what was said before writing the article so that Klukan wouldn’t appear to be an idiot? That is sensationalism and perhaps editing for biased reasons. You could have mentioned that something was inaudible prior to Klukan’s outburst.
I have heard Miklos in the past. I agreed with SOME of his views, but not in the manner he says them. He is a very antagonistic man. It sickens me and makes me feel extremely uncomfortable to watch and listen to Miklos be so down and dirty in his dealings with people. He is not diplomatic.
Ray Klukan just didn’t start ranting for any reason out of the blue. That is common sense. He is highly emotional and inappropriate, at times, but he is not a lunatic.
I hope you are not voting for Donald Trump. You would be contradicting yourself. He’s a raving, swearing madman. You wrote, “I think society should not approve of such actions and hold that official to a higher level. Imagine! The voters actually expecting our leaders to act responsibly.”
I never wrote that I thought that Ray Klukan was acting appropriately and responsibly.
By jorn jensen, March 22, 2016 @ 8:04 PM
Yes, tolerant educated liberal Just sayno. If I called a female liberal poster a whore on the KP site, I’d never hear the end of it. So, Just sayno, I won’t call you a whore, I’ll just call you a tolerant educated liberal poster so that people understand what they get for their education money spent.
By Just sayin, March 22, 2016 @ 8:08 PM
OH, “let me educate you.” A rag newspaper is a sensational newspaper.
You always think the worst, don’t you??
I minored in journalism. I like to write…by being fair, by being honest, and by being open-minded. I expect that out of any writing unless it is fiction. Point out BOTH sides —it makes for better reading. IT is FAIR!! That’s what I was taught.
Oh, the audacity to speak the truth…
By jerry6, March 22, 2016 @ 9:02 PM
When Pyle, the conservative, was a teacher in Ford City, I was told he had a filthy mouth on him. He is one of those conservatives in Harrisburgh who has an apartment there and it isn’t for his wife.
Here is what Jensen, the conservative, says about being liberal. Being liberal means being a hypocrite. I wonder how long it takes Jensen, the conservative to dream up or copy his famous sayings. Does he have a conservative book of sayings? lol
By mad-2010, March 23, 2016 @ 9:01 AM
Here, Here, local410, Here, Here….
By mad-2010, March 23, 2016 @ 9:08 AM
I Say Mr. Croyle was correct in writing this article there should be no place for these kinds of actions, no matter what your last name is, period! In Ford City a lot of times Excuses are made depending on your Last Name Only!
By savvynewshound, March 23, 2016 @ 3:59 PM
to me, it always looked like Eden worked hard. Remember, he had to be the mouthpiece for the last crew that was in there. I thought he handled himself very well. this termination screams politics.
By mad-2010, March 24, 2016 @ 6:26 AM
Hey Jensen, That 3-22 post directed at Justsayin was really Out of Line! The next time you use that word Hope your Wife is present! You are an Idiot!
By mad-2010, March 24, 2016 @ 6:36 AM
Justsayin, Think about when Miklos wanted to use the 2nd floor of the fire station for a council meeting, remember? Ray Klukan (firemen) was quoted in the Trib as saying “it ain’t never going to happen.” Now Jerry is off council and Klukan is on F.C. council= Bad Blood and Payback, not hard for me to See! Think about it!
By createawareness, March 24, 2016 @ 7:58 AM
I’m sorry, Mr. Croyle, but you seem to be missing the point of many on this issue. Noone condones Ray’s outburst; but, what exactly provoked that sudden outburst? That is where you have failed, and irritated many. Your reporting is “slanted,” to say the least. You should be reporting the “whole” story to allow people to form their own judgments, not forcing opinions on them. Bias has found its way into your reporting. And it’s not just the way you tell a story that can get in the way of the truth. It’s the stories you choose to tell. As a reporter, you should be committed to being fair and balanced in the coverage of the stories. This is not the first time that you have chosen to avoid both sides of a story in Ford City. I am sure that (if asked) citizens in the audience would have come forth with the other side, putting a different light on the “on-going” story. The residents of Ford City “deserve” fair and balanced reporting just as any other area. You even chose to avoid reporting on several positive events in Ford City, inclusive of their “Fantasy of Lights”. And you question why so many are pulling advertising dollars???? Really????
By Just sayin, March 24, 2016 @ 10:09 AM
Jorn Jensen: (The one who doesn’t read the liberals’ posts)—LEARN MODERN LINGO.
Here is the definition of an attention whore (has nothing to do with being a whore):
“Label given to any person who craves attention to such an extent that they will do anything to receive it. The type of attention (negative or positive) does not matter.”
Since you are a man, then you are an attention man-whore.
“Stupid is as stupid does.”
You think you’re pretty cool, cantankerous, and clever writing “Just sayno.” That’s your caliper. That’s what we tolerant, educated liberals expect from you. (Yes, there is a comma after tolerant, “Just soyouknow.”)
“can·tan·ker·ous
kanˈtaNGk(ə)rəs/
adjective
adjective: cantankerous
bad-tempered, argumentative, and uncooperative.
‘a crusty, cantankerous old man'”
Love, Just “sayno”…to the jackanapes…to the jobbernowl juggins…to the jararaca full of jactancy and jabberwock and all of his janissaries.
By David Croyle, March 24, 2016 @ 1:45 PM
Unless someone can tell the other side of the story, then we can only report what we see and hear, which is what I did. Mr. Klukan has yet to issue a statement. Ms. Fenyes had no comment. We print what people are willing to tell us. You miss that point. Then we are attacked when we don’t show both sides. Someone has to present the other side. Your Council is the prime position to do that, but failed at doing so. The point you are missing is that you need to hold your Council accountable for their actions. You are blaming the media instead of putting pressure on the one who cannot control himself during a meeting and a President that doesn’t have control of the meeting. Censorship of the public is never the answer.
And the reason given by most who pull their advertising dollars is that they do not want to be associated with Ford City politics. Except for one business person on this blog, others are just making sure they don’t sponsor the Ford City Council meetings because they don’t want to be associated with the problems surrounding it.
It’s simple. Don’t support your local media, and it goes away. Then you cry the blues when no one pays attention to you anymore. Your voice to make the comments you have here in the Kittanning Paper is because advertisers have chosen us as a viable way of advertising. If they pull their advertising dollars, then you wouldn’t have a voice here.
Oh… and another comment… Fantasy of Lights has been promoted on WTYM every year and without charge. I personally also attended several of the Ford City events and reported on them during the past year. I have publicly praised Mr. & Mrs. Klukan for the fine job they do on various activities. I believe we have been as balanced as the information we have received and fair. If I didn’t want to be fair, I could eliminate the blog then we wouldn’t hear all sides and opinions.
Finally, it’s easy to throw rocks when you are cloaked under a screen name.
By scott_starr, March 24, 2016 @ 2:55 PM
Dave Croyle:
My fathers’, cousins’, sisters’ former roommate heard everything. I mean that has to be good enough source for the Journalism minor.. Let me know if you want to set up a rendezvous. ( Please remember to wear sunglasses and trenchcoat).
For those of you folks who don’t “condone” Klukan’s outburst, why are you looking for reasons or justification?
Either you condone it, or don’t condone it, or maybe you just don’t care.
By createawareness, March 24, 2016 @ 3:32 PM
Sorry, Mr. Croyle. But, my comments are the way I see this. Every controversial story (such as this one)for every town should have the “whole” story told to allow readers the entire picture under which to form their own opinions and views. No such story should be limited to a one-sided viewpoint. What about the residents in the audience? Were they questioned, as they are the ones who would have heard the happenings first-hand? Please know that my criticism is solely on your unbalanced reporting methods. The good people of Ford City deserve some fairness in how their community is viewed.
By Just sayin, March 24, 2016 @ 5:21 PM
Mr. Croyle: Yes, you have shown fairness, most times. But, you seem to have “selective” hearing when it comes to Ford City Council meetings.
Like I said, Ray Klukan isn’t a lunatic. Your reporter should have ASKED why he had an outburst if he didn’t know why. Or he should have attempted to ask Klukan himself (to be fair and get his side). Sensationalism was used. All it takes is one step further in reporting.
Sometimes the pimple has to burst. Out of frustration with Vicky and Jerry, I think Klukan finally had a brief emotional breakdown. Was he professional? No. Was he human? Yes.
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And to the trolls/cyber bullies such as Jorn Jensen and his Jensen Juicers: I’m through with all of you. You are not renting space in my mind any longer.
I will only respond to decent, open-minded, respectable commenters.
So taunt all you want. The devil likes to taunt, too.
I believe in KARMA. May God help your souls. I will pray for you.
During the Easter season, the taunting reminds me of the Wandering Jew who taunted Jesus when he was on his way to being crucified.
Pure evilness. You know what I’m talking about, Jorn Jensen. Shame on you.
By jorn jensen, March 24, 2016 @ 8:58 PM
Excellent post, David Croyle. You report what is available to you.
Like others, I know for a fact that the Klukans are fine Ford City folks and very active in their community. They care and they ‘do’, while others maybe sit back and watch. As I’ve stated before, I like public officials with some spunk and passion.
On pseudonyms, I’m mixed - there are some weak ones that hide behind the pseudonyms and there are some good ones that perhaps must use them as they’re public figures or business people and need the ‘protection’ of a pseudonym. But, in the end, you are the ‘boss’ of the KP online - you can dictate to your IT outfit, ‘only real names, no pseudonyms’ and they could tailor the website to that requirement. That is your call, you’re the ‘boss’ of your website.
Me, I can go either way on that - I don’t care.
By Patzu, March 24, 2016 @ 10:03 PM
Just sayin:
No brief momentary lapse.
There is a history of this behavior.
Your defense is very weak.
This behavior should not be tolerated.
How difficult is this debate for you?
It does not matter what was said to him or how it was said.
You do not scream and yell vulgarities to get attention.
By Patzu, March 24, 2016 @ 10:16 PM
Fairness? A councilman behaved very badly. He screamed vulgarities and acted outlandishly in a leadership position. He was yearning for attention. He got it. Now, he and his supporters do not like the attention. If it did not make the local news then this behavior would be okay? If you are embarrassed that it made Pittsburgh news then that should have been thought about before acting foo,ish whether there were cameras there or not. Best way to avoid it is to act civilly. So what if 100 people were sticking their tongues out at him during the entire meeting?? You still do not act that way.
Just sayin: This was not a momentary lapse. There is a past pattern of this behavior and acting out.
By Elderton Parent, March 25, 2016 @ 11:42 AM
Just sayin, please tell me you were kidding when you made the comment about Mike O’Hara being unbiased?
Jorn, nailed it with the Jeff Pyle comment.
Throw in the drunk senator and you have a perfect trio!
By Rainbow Rider, March 25, 2016 @ 11:42 AM
Nice to see Snot star weighed in on this one. He must’ve finally finished shining jenny’s shoes.
By scott_starr, March 25, 2016 @ 11:54 AM
Then along came Jeffrey Savitskie. He was so critical of Ford City most of the time, it was painful to read his bitterness (and he wasn’t even from around the area).
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The above is classic.
Wasn’t there a boatload of comments about the ASJ Warden being from outside the area? ( like it makes a difference).
Now a comment about an Editor of the local paper, not from the area, being critical of local politics. Is there a difference?
Well, if an outsider is critical it is very telling how someone or a business wanting to move to the area view local practices. Maybe this criticism should be taken to heart and changes made.
By jorn jensen, March 25, 2016 @ 12:14 PM
Just sayno - Would you like me better if I used a pseudonym? LOL!
Let’s go fill in that pond along 422 that kills all of the innocent animals.
By worthingtonman, March 26, 2016 @ 8:08 PM
No matter what was going on in the meeting, Klukan should have shown the professionalism to control himself. He knew coming into the election that if he won and the others lost they would create as much turmoil in these crazy meetings as he has caused in the past. He is extremely unprofessional and should be tossed from the board. As far as their new chief, they should watch what they ask for. And raising the pay 10,000 dollars? I mean 40,000 isn’t much but a 25% raise first that guy just is not worth it. Don’t plan on your police force doing much better.
By mad-2010, March 27, 2016 @ 8:46 PM
What you will not see and I’ll bet even money is an apology from Raymond Klukan, Never! Heads Too Thick!
Ray has been quick tempered most of his Adult Life. People like that believe they are above Apologies! People like that are wrong, But, Do Not Care!
By Flamingo1, March 28, 2016 @ 8:16 AM
@Rainbow
show some class. Name calling is not appropriate. ADMIN take this down.
By north end guy, March 28, 2016 @ 8:56 AM
What’s up with your obit page!Those guys have been gone for a month??
By blutoblutarsky, March 30, 2016 @ 2:34 PM
I don’t care if Klukan recites George Carlin’s “seven words you can never say on television” bit if he can help FC crawl out of the hole that last council put it in.
By Just sayin, March 30, 2016 @ 5:13 PM
Admin: Where are all the other comments? I liked the previous software better. Some readers like to read old posts (even months later). Is it a spacial issue?
Also, Mr. Croyle, I heard Jerry Miklos on your talk show. Thank you for being open enough to disagree with him, at times.
Everything Miklos says is not gospel. That is his perception and not necessarily the truth.
Now that I have had more time to reflect, I just have to add that I agree that Ray Klukan should not have attended the meeting after recently being released from the hospital.
Did anyone ever think that he may have had some pain medication and may have stopped taking it? That can make a person REALLY moody and mean. I’m not saying he is an addict—just a normal patient who was on medication after being in the hospital. In addition, if his health issues are heart-related, that can make people depressed and moody (especially men). That is a medical fact.
Also, did you ever hear of “normal” people committing crimes of passion? Like I wrote before, Vicky and Jerry Miklos pressed too many buttons with Klukan. His frustration popped like a festering pimple.
Klukan should, however, know his limits for his temperament being around these people. He should be more concerned for his own health than for council issues. It is not worth dying over. All of the good he has done for Ford City may be discounted if these outbursts continue.
Miklos should watch his health, as well. He’s a ticking time bomb.
By Just sayin, March 31, 2016 @ 4:53 PM
I will write that at least Miklos admitted lead pipes are used in Ford City’s water system. Kudos to him for that. He does have chutzpah.